Dr. Pam Arnell, Advocating for Comprehensive Mental Health Support for First Responders and Veterans

Speaker 1: 0:15

Welcome to today's episode of Enduring the Badge Podcast. I'm host Jerry Dean Lund, and if you haven't already done so, please take out your phone and hit that subscribe button. I don't want you to miss an upcoming episode. And, hey, while your phone's out, please give us a rating and review. On whichever platform you listen to this podcast on, such as iTunes, apple Podcasts and Spotify, it helps this podcast grow and the reason why, when this gets positive ratings and reviews, those platforms like Apple Podcasts and Spotify show this to other people that never listened to this podcast before, and that allows our podcast to grow and make a more of an impact on other people's lives. So if you would do that, I would appreciate that from the bottom of my heart. My very special guest today is Dr Pam Arnell, from 2020. She was gracious enough to allow me to go through their program and do some of their therapy so I could have a first-hand feel of what they do at 2020 and how it helps so many first responders that are struggling with their mental health, and I'm going to dive down into my experience with 2020, and Dr Arnell is also going to talk about that, but we're mostly going to talk about what she's doing for the first responder community and how you can support them. Now let's jump right into this episode with my very special guest. How are you doing, dr Arnell?

Speaker 2: 1:33

I am doing really well. How are you doing?

Speaker 1: 1:36

I'm doing pretty good. Hopefully I'm a little bit hoarse from the scoff I have, but we'll get through it. We'll get through it. But, dr Arnell, tell the audience a little bit about yourself and 2020.

Speaker 2: 1:49

Sure. So I became the executive director in November last year for 2020. I got connected with 2020 going on four years ago now, or no, going on three years ago, I think with my assistant fire chief, who was in the platoon with Ann, and because I have that clinical piece, the counseling piece. You know, if there's any incidents that are going on within the county fire department, which I've been a member since 2008, I'm the one who will get that call. And so my assistant fire chief said hey, they call me Big Mama. You know, if you ever come to my town and ask who Big Mama is or where Big Mama is, they're going to say why do you want to know and who are you? They're very protected. But he just said Big Mama, you really need to go through this training. And I was adamant at first. I was going no, I don't have time because of my other full-time job required you know me being on call 24-7, I was the only one that handled all those cases regarding children that come to the court and so I said no. So then he convinced my fire chief to go through the training. One night before we had our countywide meeting they both kind of sidebarred me and said hey, we want you to go through that training. And so I did it and I have always said I did it to appease them, to shut them up. So I said fine, whatever. The only stipulation that I had was that someone would have to run me through the process, and the reason being is professionally. I will not put my name with an entity or an organization where there are some ethical issues. I will not put my professional name with just any nonprofit, for-profit or with just anyone.

Speaker 3: 4:01

Really.

Speaker 2: 4:02

I just want to work really hard to maintain that professionalism. You know, if you ever come to Tennessee and you're in this area, they're going to let you know she will do what she tells you that she's going to do. She's very professional. I like to have fun, but she is very professional when it comes to doing what I'm supposed to do. And so when they asked me meaning Van Jarvis and Nick Davis are the founder and co-founder of 220, this is the fifth year it's been operating and so in February last year, I started working with, or coaching with, some of the first responders veterans that were coming through, but also in that, after I went through the training, part of that training is you actually have to go through the process, which Dan did run me, you know. I said I'm going to be used, I've got to feel it going back to, I'm not going to just put my name with anything just for doing that. And so it was funny because I was a reserve deputy for five years and then again I've been in the fire department since 2008. So I had two calls that I knew were bothering me from the sheriff's department and there were three calls specifically with the fire department. Well, dan ran me in front of the group and it was funny and you know I laugh about it now and so it was online or virtual. But I came out of the class and Jerome looked at me and he said haven't you been in class? I said yes, jerome's my husband. And he said were you drinking in class? And I looked at him and I said what he said were you drinking? You just look different and I said no, I wasn't drinking. But I feel really wakled and that night I was just so tired I had to go lay down and that was the first night I went to sleep without Ambien. My doctor had actually put me on Ambien because I couldn't sleep because of those calls, those specific Coast, and had been on Amiens since the next day. You know, we were in class and I just said what did you do to me? I didn't know what you did to me. My husband asked me if I had been drinking and I had not been drinking. I was in class. So I was convinced then, okay, this is definitely, this is huge. You know it's noninvasive, it is nonclinical, it's nothing that hasn't been around since the 80s, you know mid-80s. It's the process that it falls under, it's not something new. And so, while it's innovative and while you know it is noninvasive and nonclinical, it works. And so what I did was I went back, because we do the pre and post assessments. So I was bought in at that point and I said have you been keeping up with the data? And I hate numbers, which is why I didn't go into accounting, but numbers don't lie. And so, on the pre-assessment, you know we do a trauma screen, a depression screen and anxiety screen. Well, when you get through going through the process and you do your post assessment, it's the same screen, but we're going to compare those numbers before and after and to see those numbers drop is just significant. So what I did is I went back and Dan was able to let me get whatever I needed to go through all the pre and post assessments. So I have a running data list of all of that data from way back, you know, to when they first started five years ago. And basically, again, you know I don't like math, but numbers don't lie. When you see somebody and I'm just going to make up a number. So let's say, on the trauma screen someone scores at 65 or 70. And after they've gone through the process, they've, you know, those numbers have dropped to 10 and below. That's huge, that's a clinically significant decrease with those numbers. So they asked if I would become the executive director and I finally agreed to do so. I kept saying no, I'll just continue being behind the scenes and doing these numbers. And you know, coaching and I was, and the big reason was because you know the other job I didn't want any children left behind and so my concern was, you know, with that role, there were a lot of times that those children that I knew, if I was not the one advocating for them, or I felt like if I was not the one advocating for them, they could falter the cracks and I did not want that. So basically, they continued asking me and you know I have a wrong faith and I just said well, god, you're going to have to give me some signs. And when they, when Dan and Nick, called me on Memorial Day last year and asked me, you know I could hear myself saying well, you know, I really don't know and you know I was like God, I really need some signs. And it was almost as if God said how many more confirmations do you need?

Speaker 1: 10:00

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:01

And so be there and so do this. And I said okay, yes, then I started in November, hold on.

Speaker 1: 10:08

Yeah, that's awesome that they wrangled you up and made you commit to joining the team. To be so. 22-0 was created five years ago to mostly for like more of the military right Tried to, you know, in some of the or you know, the suicide right, the 22-0, that's where they came up with the name.

Speaker 2: 10:34

So five years ago the average number on the military side their average, meaning the VA, the national data average was 22 a day. We do know that that number is a lot higher and as of now it's more up into 40-ish a day. But 22-0 came out of, you know, with Dan hearing that number of 22,. His goal was to take it to zero and that's what continues on today. That's all of our goal is to get that number 20 so that we're irrelevant. And if that happens and that's what I'm believing happens is then all of our you know, many women who served in the military and our first responders no longer have trauma. That would be huge and significant. And then I would go find what the next chapter is for me that would be awesome if it would.

Speaker 1: 11:32

That's a huge goal. Right, that's a really massive goal. And then maybe, in today's times, even maybe a more massive goal with all the mental health issues that are going on in the world, and then especially in those first responders you know careers, but right, that's, you gotta have that as a lofty goal is, when you're in business, to do stuff right, To put yourself out of business would be great. Would be great. On the what?

Speaker 2: 12:05

No, I was gonna say and on that you know that piece of it when you. For us, when you look at it, it's more of a family situation. So, you know, my husband was a veteran. He served 26 years in the military. He fought in Desert Storm. You know, in July he just passed away this year because he was in the burn pits and so he and I were together. Well, we were married for 24 years. But bottom line is, when a veteran and or even, you know, a first responder, has that trauma, it doesn't just affect them, it affects that family. And so our mission with 22-0 is so military, any branch first responder, which for us that consists of law enforcement, fire, number one dispatchers, corrections and paramedics, those are actually the first responders, you know. So for them, their spouses and minor children living in the home and our Gold Star families, there's no cost. In other words, we are, you are not going to pay to go through our process, and it's a peer-to-peer program. So if a veteran contacts me then I'm gonna connect him or her with another vet. Same thing with a first responder. It's not, you know, civilians, it's not the mental health side of it, because it's a peer-to-peer coach program. Being that nonprofit, plus we're non-clinical, you know. So it's that peer-to-peer program, because you're not allowed to talk about that content. We will not let you talk about it. That protects you and that protects my coaches. I'm protective of my coaches because I don't want them to develop or developing what we call vicarious trauma, and that vicarious trauma is gonna be, you know, seeing or hearing something that somebody else has said, even though it may not directly be affected toward you, and that protects them. But ultimately, what happens is, you know, not just within our military, not within just our first responders, getting rid of that trauma, because being a first responder myself, and then you combine with my husband being a veteran, you know a lot of times that would play off of each other. He knew when I was struggling, I knew when he was struggling, and so it's a family dynamic and we want all of that family healed. Yes, including children. You know, the youngest child that I know Dan has worked with was four. Children are actually a whole lot easier. Yeah, yeah, I guess we can thank technology for that, for all those games and stuff, because you can make it into a game with them, but they remain home. It's confidential. We do not report to the VA. We do not report to your employer, and unless you tell somebody you went through our process, no one is going to know about it.

Speaker 1: 15:15

It's true, I went through the process. No one knew. That was a great experience and thank you, dr Arnell, for letting me go through that experience because, being recently retired, I was struggling with some things and I had reached out to Dr Arnell to do a podcast and she agreed to do one. And then she was very gracious enough to offer me some of these sessions and I got to do three sessions over probably about four to six weeks, maybe not quite that long and then we can talk about my story a little bit, to put in some context, about what this really is and how it really works and what it can do for somebody. Dr Arnell, my scores were pretty high when I started. Did that be safe to say?

Speaker 2: 16:21

That would be very safe to say All the way around all three screens.

Speaker 1: 16:26

All three we're really high. Yeah, and there were definitely some things that were bothering me and that have tried to work through in the past but just could not just really get past them. And with the 22-0 program and the peer-to-peer coaching and the what would you call it? What would you call the?

Speaker 2: 16:54

The protocol. Yes, thank you.

Speaker 1: 16:56

Yeah, the protocol. The protocol was really great. It was actually I didn't know what to really expect and it was just really just smooth and, honestly, it was pretty easy to go through and over those different protocols and I think that was one of the different visits that my scores were drastically dropping.

Speaker 2: 17:26

Yes.

Speaker 1: 17:28

And then Go ahead.

Speaker 2: 17:32

Your scores at the beginning were really high and by the time you went through the process and there was one that I did on you because when I noticed, once there's been the sessions, that's been completed if there is someone that still has a higher number, I'm going to do what I need to do and try and convince them to let me work with them. And a lot of the times it's not a reflection on anyone or anything like that, it's just I have more tools because of my background and so, using that in conjunction with making sure that we clear all that trauma, all the negative emotions, I'll go back and say, hey, once Trish has done that post assessment, she'll say, hey, this one is still a little bit high. And a lot of times what happens is, once those numbers start lowering, they don't that veteran or first responder, they're going. No, but I feel great, I don't need another session. I am really feeling good, but for me, even if you're at a 10 or if you're at a 12, at the end I can bring that number lower, like we did with you. And so, and if they are willing that, I'm going to work with them myself and we're going to get that number lower.

Speaker 1: 19:08

Yeah, which was great because I was like, oh, I'm fine, I feel good, like I don't really need to do it, and then we were able to lower my scores even more by doing that third session and, honestly, even after the first session, I felt pretty good, and so it was like it's hard to explain the relief you can get from going through the protocol. Thank you.

Speaker 2: 19:35

And again, that's. You know, if someone say their score post assessment wise went and I'm going to make up a number again but say if they were at a 56 before and they're now at a 12 or 15. And then when we reach out to them and they're going, I am great, I am doing things I've not done in years, I am like none of that bothers me. Well, we know there's something and usually it's going to be tied around a negative emotion. Let us get that negative emotion so we can drop those numbers even lower. But and sometimes they're going I don't need no session, I'm fine Like this is not, we're good and I'll try. I'll try really hard. Look, I know you're saying that, but come on, work with me here. I don't want that number lower and sometimes they do and sometimes they don't, and that's fine too, but you know that option is there. So typically we look at between two to four sessions. You know you remain home. We use a secure telehealth platform and I'm going to reiterate this I've been here probably, you say it a few times we do not report to the VA, we do not report to your employer, and that's, you know the reason that we do that. It's significant because I always get asked is this going to affect my rating? Nope. Are you going to report to the VA? Nope. Are you going to contact my employer? No, absolutely not. Not going to do it. It's 100% confidential and unless you tell somebody you have been through our process, they are not. No one's going to know.

Speaker 1: 21:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:22

We just want to heal our veterans, our first responders you know our mission clients, those that put on a uniform to serve and protect us, be it in the military, law enforcement, fire, whatever that uniform is. You know they are worth the heal. They are worth not living and struggling with that trauma. Their family is worth not having to see them struggle and have the triggers and the trauma that's going on with them. Which kind of goes back to what I said. It ties in with it's about the entire family.

Speaker 1: 22:05

Yeah, it has to be right. It has to be because unfortunately we can't leave our job at the door. When we walk in and the stuff spills over and even if we don't even talk about it, our emotions and our attitudes and that just naturally spills over. I think there's very few first responders that have ever met can like have the slight switch on off when they come and go from work, and I'm like that's pretty amazing. I mean, I don't know what their self care looks like. You know for some of them, but they must do a really good job to be able to do that. Or, you know, or hopefully they're being honest with themselves. You know that they're doing that. But children we often, you know, we just assume that they're okay. We don't really go there.

Speaker 2: 22:52

Right. But, you know, children, the children are very intuitive, and especially younger children. So, and what I mean by that is you don't have to talk about it, you don't have to say anything about it, but those children pick up on your energy, they pick up your demeanor, they pick up on all of that so they are able to understand that. So now, a lot of times, that's when you see those children that start having behavioral problems. So I'll be the very first to say that. You know, I'm not one who jumps to medication. Even when I had my counseling business, I will not want to recommend medication to start off, because medication is not always the answer. And so a lot of the times you will see children that are diagnosed with ADD or ADHD. Well, a lot of that is, if they're in a family dynamic where there is trauma, then that goes back to that vicarious trauma. So does ADD and ADHD, you know, is that legitimate? Yes, do we have as many children diagnosed with ADD and ADHD in this world that I think are actually misdiagnosed? Most definitely, because I have worked with children over and over and over for many, many, many, many, many years and they were given a diagnosis of that, or they were given a diagnosis of adjustment disorder or you know a positional defiant. So, theoretically, when you really get in there and you start looking and finding out what's going on, there's trauma, there's underlying trauma and it's contributing to a lot of those behaviors, which is why we want to include the children in our mission clients that live in the home of that veteran or first responder.

Speaker 1: 24:58

Yeah, there's really no way as a younger child to understand that trauma or what they're feeling, right? They don't have the emotional intelligence and probably are not being educated right to their emotional intelligence, what's going on? So I could see how that could come out and, you know, manifest in different ways. Is it children? Is it? They take about the same amount of sessions to go through this as well, or Children usually, it's being that they're a lot easier to do the visualization part.

Speaker 2: 25:34

One or two sessions, maybe three, depending on the amount of trauma that they've experienced or that they've been subject to, you know, but a lot of the times we can get them into sessions.

Speaker 1: 25:50

That's really good, that's really fast and the sessions are very, I don't know. I want to say casual, just friendly, like there's just a good interaction between you and the person running you through the protocol.

Speaker 2: 26:07

Well, and it goes back to that, before you know which, if you think about it. So if I said, jerry, would you be willing to go and share that information or that content with someone that was not up here? What would your reaction be?

Speaker 1: 26:26

I probably less likely to do it. I mean because I think it's just like well, when am I going to have to explain?

Speaker 2: 26:35

Right, right. And so if you go and talk to someone that's not, you know, another first responder, how easy is it going to be for you to be willing to eventually get to opening up and start talking about it?

Speaker 1: 26:52

Yeah, a lot longer, a lot longer.

Speaker 2: 26:56

And understand. You know, as far as the mental health field I am not knocking the mental health field, I've been in the mental health field for years and years and years but what we need to understand, even whenever I was in the field, I knew it was easier for the first responders and even the veterans. So because I'm a spouse well, a spouse of a veteran, so when you think about it, it's easier to get that rapport and they're going to be quicker to talk with you because they know you know, they know you understand. They know that you really get what's going on. And again, like I said, I'm not saying anything negative about the mental health world at all. But we also have to remember, you know, within the mental health world, that it is so much easier for veterans and first responders to connect and build that rapport with someone that gets it, and so that's, you know, kind of goes back to one of the things that Nick and Dan have always said about me was I'm a unicorn. I'm the unicorn in the mental health world, but that's because, being a first responder and I was married to a veteran, I get it. You know, it's so different. I can't tell you the number of times I've been contacted by the Legion and the, you know, the VFW or the other veteran organizations in our county because a veteran was suicidal or a veteran was struggling. That has happened many, many times and not that I'm a veteran, but they know or they knew that my husband was a veteran, you know, and I have that rapport with them, because where you were involved with every bit of those organizations and so they already know, it's easier for them to develop that rapport with someone who's been there.

Speaker 1: 29:05

Yeah, you have to lower your guard down to and build that rapport. I think it's easy to go into maybe someone that doesn't have the cultural competency you know, and it takes a while for that that rapport to be built right, that trust factor to be built. It just takes and no one in this world really wants to wait for that right. They don't. They want, if they're coming for help, they want to have that rapport quicker and get the help they need a lot, a lot faster. And the way I actually found out about 22-0 was a guest on the show had such good success. He was diagnosed with complex PTSD and had gone through the 22-0 program and had done nothing but rave about it. So that was my first introduction into 22-0. So I knew that there was some culturally competent see behind it. And then when you go to the 22-0, you go to the website, you go watch the videos and things like that. You really understand the cultural competency and why the protocol is put together the way it is.

Speaker 2: 30:22

Right and also on the website is our documentary was released on the 20th anniversary of 9-11. And so the documentary is Hill and the Heroes of 9-11, where Nick and Dan went to New York with or worked with, the first responders and several of them are also veterans dual row slash, now first responder but they went and worked with the and did a documentary. Michael Geyer actually produced a documentary, but they worked with the ones that were at ground zero but were also at the Pentagon, and so you see the beginning of how they were. You can see them triggering, you can see the struggle that they have, and then there's after they've gone behind the scenes, they've gone through the process. Then you see a complete different demeanor and affect and that is so huge. And that's what we see over and over and over when we are working with the veterans and first responders to see them before, when they first come in, and then when, after they've gone through the process, just to see just that, that load lifted and they're smiling and they're happy and and they're going. I can't believe this is this work. And I said the same thing. I told Dan that next day in class. I can't believe this crap worked.

Speaker 3: 31:59

That's what I said I can't believe it.

Speaker 2: 32:01

That worked. What did you do? And so it's. The big thing is you're not gonna talk about that content and we don't want you to. I can get you to trigger without telling that story and you don't need to tell it. And so many people think I'll have to talk about it over and over and over and over and over and over. Why are veterans and first responders not going to get the healing they deserve? We know that post-traumatic stress, it is not a disorder, it is an injury. You can heal trauma. You can heal it and with our protocols, which is based off of the NLP model, not EMDR, not exposure therapy, it's not prolonged, it's none of that but with our protocols you're able to get that healed. You're able to get that relief that you need and get to learning who the new you and your family are gonna be after going through the process.

Speaker 1: 33:05

Yeah, you have to learn right. You have to learn to see the new you in that and continue to put in the work. How much trauma does somebody have to experience before they decide that they maybe should seek some help?

Speaker 2: 33:22

It can be one, it can be multiple. So what happens is, whatever that one event is that has you triggering is at the forefront, then basically that's the one. That's what you may call the big one. But if you have other traumas that may have happened in your childhood, we're gonna get all of that. So whatever that one event is, we're gonna get that. But we're also gonna go dig and find out if there are any other traumatic events and we're gonna clear all of them. So a lot of the times when people contact us, there's the one big or what they consider to be that one big event that's really at the forefront. We're gonna get that one first and then we're gonna gradually go back and get childhood trauma as well.

Speaker 1: 34:16

No one escapes childhood without trauma.

Speaker 2: 34:20

Yeah, but there's a lot of people that very few people didn't have childhood trauma. There's a lot of people that do have childhood trauma and with our protocols we're able to clear all of that.

Speaker 1: 34:37

Yeah, I think I read a statistic a while back that 60 to 70% of first responders already have childhood trauma and then they join these first responder fields, which doesn't really help that.

Speaker 2: 34:51

Right, but why are they doing that? They're trying to protect and serve, and a lot of that stems from that childhood stuff.

Speaker 1: 35:02

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Excuse me, Dr Arnell. What other things is 22-0 doing? Because I mean you've been out and about traveling the country a little bit before we could get this podcast in. What else is going on in 22-0?

Speaker 2: 35:23

So, besides the protocols, we are asked to attend events. Yes, just got back, I was in DC so I was asked to attend the veterans' event that was held by the Border Patrol. So the Border Patrol yes, customs and Border on the Veterans side had an event where they hosted it with the HS. So I was there. I flew from there to Nebraska and let me tell you, if any of you people are from Nebraska, that cold, that wind man, I tell you what it's cold, that wind hurts, but I was there for a Veterans Day event and worked with actually several veterans. But we attend conferences, we speak at conferences. Getting the word out about 22-0 is really really significant for us, one that gets the word out. Anytime that we attend an event or a conference, we're always working with someone, be it law enforcement conference. We've been to the Fire Academy before up in the North area talking with them, the cadets with the fire department that are going through the fire training. But ultimately what happens is we get us to attend throughout the US different events, not just around Veterans Day but through the year, and because of budget, we're allotted a certain amount that I'm going to be able to use to attend those events and we're not going to operate outside of that because it's more about our veterans, our first responders, and so our coaches that have gone through the training, completed the NDA agreement, the ones that are continuously with us, those are trained, or not only trained, but those are paid coaches. And so we don't bill insurance, we don't like I said earlier, we don't report to the VA, we don't report to the employer, we don't do the EAP. We completely rely on donations and then fundraisers so that we can use that to go to the events, go out or pay our coaches, and so each year is different. Usually between October and December is kind of busier, I guess. A big giveaway because I'll be leaving and getting two weeks. I've got to go back to Florida. I'll be at Westgate. Trisha will be there. So in Orlando the first weekend of December they have Westgate Resorts has military weekend and 22-0 will be there. Justin, which is one of our coaches, who we met at Westgate last year during our class, is now a coach for us. He will be there. Dave Cassander will be there as well.

Speaker 1: 38:45

Yes.

Speaker 2: 38:46

So different events, we just stay busy, yes, stay busy.

Speaker 1: 38:49

Yes, I mean. This doesn't happen without donations.

Speaker 2: 38:58

Donations yes, and it's tax deductible. So you know anyone that Donates to 22 0, we are a nonprofit, we are a 501 C 3. You are going to get A document or your taxes to write off at the end of the year?

Speaker 1: 39:14

Yes, yeah, just Is donations. Like you know, with the economy up and down and stuff like that, is that affect the donations and what you're able to do.

Speaker 2: 39:26

It is yes.

Speaker 1: 39:29

So this is why it's important to get out to these different places to keep, you know, generating that, the donations, so you can keep the, you know, 20 to 0 moving forward, because, right, pain coaches and doing the websites and doing all these things just are not free. Right, they come with expenses and to keep the program up and going is amazing because there's not as many as many big programs like this up and going that are helping so many people.

Speaker 2: 39:59

Right, right, and we have different, you know. So, like yonts, valor, james right, and We've actually got up in Pennsylvania in April they are hosting a golf tournament for us. So different fundraisers, different, you know, events run more, which is 1 of our coaches. He's in Florida, he's going to be doing an event to as a donation for where 22 0 will be the recipient. So All of those funds are generated back into 22? 0. We did, you know, we're not going to just Collectively be or dismiss those donations or the funds from those donations, because the majority of the individuals connected with 22 0 or their volunteers, unless they have completed the India agreement, comes with the training and then they actually end up becoming a paid coach. So it takes, you know, it takes funds to do what we need to do. And so you know, if you want to donate, I promise you that you can go to our website all the way at the bottom that you'll see the I R S letter. You'll also get a tax right off at the end of the or as soon as you get it, it will be used for the end of the year. So let's say you go to the website and you donate today, then this week you're going to get a letter to turn in for your taxes as well, with the amount that you donated.

Speaker 1: 41:54

Yeah, and tax time is coming up I know it's just going to be right around the corner after this air. So If you're feeling thankful this year and have some you know extra funds to do something big with, I think 22 is a great place to go ahead and donate and do that right and keep this momentum going of 22, 0. You know, and helping first responders is it's got to be done right. There's somebody's got to do it in 22, 0 and doing it, so why don't we continue to help them?

Speaker 2: 42:28

Yes, we would be very grateful. I continue that the veterans and first responders that we serve Would be more grateful because when you know Almost every time we have to tell them to, or three times, no, it doesn't cost anything. No, you don't need to, there's not a deductible. No, you're not paying us anything. If you want to make a donation afterwards, they can choose to do that, but ultimately, what we do for our veterans and first responders, it's not costing you a dime. I don't know very many organizations.

Speaker 1: 43:04

I don't know very many that do that either. That's why it's so important to keep those donations coming, because right there, helping so many people, dr Arnaud, where what else should the audience know about? You know 22, 0 that we may have not covered.

Speaker 2: 43:23

So they, if you go to the website, is 22 Z E R O. So the number 22 Z E R O dot org. Watch her documentary Hill of Heroes and 11. If you look on the tab that has contact. All you have to do is fill out that information. That comes directly to me. It also goes directly to Trisha, which is our amazing sexual. Trisha is more left and right arm, so basically you can also donate. You can go to the website. It is a secure website and when you donate it will be in a secure method as well. But you have the option to donate monthly, do a one time donation, that's entirely up to you, but it is secure, just making sure people understand that. And so there's a lot of information on our website. My email is Dr Arnaud. The R A R N is the Nancy E L L at the number 22 Z row. So zero is spelled out. So, dr Arnaud, 22 zero dot org. The 800 number is 800 to 2, 1 9, 1, 5, 4. That comes to my phone. If you have any questions, you know. If you want to talk with either Trisha or to me, feel free to send us an email. They get healed. At 22 zero dot org is also the email address that comes to Trisha comes to me, so there's not a waiting list. You know we're available 24 seven. I know I was with some family, with my husband and sister in law, this last night and I was getting cold and messaged about a crisis that was going on, and you know, and that was eight o'clock, seven, eight o'clock, and then I get another message from another first responder and I think that was about nine o'clock, and I'm taking those calls, you know, because you are so worth it. You know every one that puts that uniform on is so worth it, and don't ever think you're not worth it.

Speaker 1: 45:52

Yeah, she's not lying Listeners. I've texted her. We've had different conversations. The coach that I work with all happened like really fast. There was not a lot of like wait time and lag time between things, and if they said they were going to text me and check on me, they text me and checked on me. So they keep their word. They're really they're really good at what they do.

Speaker 2: 46:18

Thank you, and it's you know, it's not about us. It's about killing our heroes because they deserve it and they're worth it. I mean so worth it.

Speaker 1: 46:29

Yeah, dr Arnaud, I'm going to ask this one last question what's the ripple effect of healing these heroes?

Speaker 2: 46:39

The ripple effect is. Think about so let's say, if you're still working because there's going to be two sides of it, so those are still working. You know it's going to enhance your work performance. The big benefit is it's going to enhance you. But that ripple effect is going to ripple down into your family. Imagine the family, the whole family within that veteran or first responders home, being healed and having a whole new life to where you know they're happy, they're not carrying around that trauma, they're able to enjoy themselves, enjoy each other and enjoy their life. You know those who are retired. Imagine being able to have that same thing in addition to with your family. But give them back, give them back into the community, give them back to the world. You know we have veterans and first responders across the US. Internationally we have many that are, you know, veterans that are deployed. You know, imagine what this world would look like if we had all veterans and first responders with no trauma. Imagine what it would be like for their family, the communities and the world just in general.

Speaker 1: 47:59

Yeah, happy, healthy and just. You know I'm a side note the financial impact of it. Right, because a happy, healthy person is lots easier to take care of and they don't need as much care generally. You know, as a person that's carrying around all this trauma, because how it affects them.

Speaker 2: 48:20

Right, and that is so true. And the you know, if you wear a uniform, or if you have worn a uniform, you are worth it. Don't doubt it, don't think you're not. You are so worth it. You deserve that heal.

Speaker 1: 48:39

Yeah, you do. You do because you still impact the world, like Dr Allen Noll saying, you're still impacting the world when you're in it. When you leave, you're still part of the first responder world. Get rid of that trauma, be happy, be healthy and right. That makes the impact just once again the ripple effect I'm talking about because it happens like a happy, healthy person goes to the store, sees another person, they can uplift them and if we're just being happy and healthy and uplifting each other, the world's going to be a greater place. Well, thank you, thank you so much for being on today, dr Arnell, I really appreciate it. And thank you, yes, and thank you for the personal, the help and it was. It was kind of a similar thing as, like getting the opportunity to go through the program is was made the podcast just so much more impactful. Right, I didn't see behind the scenes and if you have questions and Dr Arnell is busy or whatever, I can maybe answer some of the stuff on my side, what I went through. But I'll pass you on to the professionals as soon as they're ready. But feel free to reach out to me too with any questions and I will get in contact with whoever you need to at 22 zero as well.

Speaker 2: 49:56

Thank you, and thank you for having me.

Speaker 1: 49:59

Yeah, thank you so much for being on today. Thanks again for listening.

Speaker 3: 50:03

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